Jaime Hartman (00:06):
Welcome to the AIP Summit Podcast, your go-to resource for taking control of your autoimmune health, presented by AIP Certified Coaches. Hi, I'm Jaime Hartman.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:18):
And I'm Marie-Noelle Marquis. And we are here to equip you with the tools knowledge and support you need to effectively use the autoimmune protocol.
Jaime Hartman (00:25):
Today we're digging into a hot topic, counting calories. Why do we do it? Where did it come from and does it have a place when we're looking at managing our health through AIP, calorie counting. Calorie counting is one of those things many people think about when they hear the word diet. And so just to make sure that we define the terms we use, calories are a measure of energy. Any food that we eat contains energy that is meant to be metabolized and used by our body. And a calorie count of a food tells us how much energy we will get from it. The concept of calories was developed and introduced in the late 18 hundreds. By the early 19 hundreds, calorie counting diets were already becoming popular. And then in the mid 20th century, that model known as calories in calories out really took hold. And the idea behind that model was that if you have the amount of calories you burn end up being higher than the calories you take in, you'll lose weight,
Marie-Noelle Marquis (01:34):
Right? But now we all know it's not that simple, right? If it was, there wouldn't be a weight management epidemic. And so many people struggling with weight loss, and I think we all know the classic example of overweight people who barely eat. So while on paper the concept does make sense, I think in real application there are a lot more factors that come into play, which is also why I have the unpopular opinion of not counting calories. And I know it's a very emotional topic, and actually many people might be offended by me saying this, but honestly, I focus on what type of food or the quality I would say of the food I eat, what I put in my body in terms of nutrient quality. I honestly don't care if it's high in calories. To me, I really feel like as long as I give my body real food and optimize absorption, then I trust that it will be able to balance itself. Jaime, what are your thoughts on this?
Jaime Hartman (02:36):
You say it's an unpopular opinion, but it isn't unpopular here. I don't count calories either, and with very few exceptions, which I'll talk about in a moment, I don't want my clients to be counting their calories either. Now for one, human metabolism isn't just math. There are other things that play a role like hormones, like stress, like sleep, like inflammation. And if you're counting calories and you're neglecting to address those issues, you aren't going to see the results that you're looking for. Calorie counting appeals to a lot of people because it's easy or it sounds like it's easy to measure. It gives people a sense of control, but in fact, the only way that your calorie counts would even be accurate is if you weighed and measured all of your meals. And I definitely don't recommend that. I've worked with clients who have a really hard time even recognizing their body's natural signals around hunger and satiety. And satiety refers to feeling full in case anybody doesn't know that term. And it's because they have spent years or even decades weighing and measuring everything they eat, and they really have to relearn how to actually hear those cues and respond to them.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (03:44):
And now of course, even on popular concepts can still be needed sometimes. I can definitely recognize that. From your perspective, would you say there are times when counting calories might actually be important?
Jaime Hartman (03:58):
Yeah, right. So like I said, there are some exceptions. First of all, as a practitioner, I am paying attention to calorie counts as well as macronutrient counts. When I'm creating meal plans, meal plans for an individual client, or when I put together the weekly meal plans for our AIP Summit community members, I just want to make sure that they're getting all of their energy needs met by what I'm going to suggest they eat. It can also make sense for an individual to track their intake for a limited period of time. So I'll have clients who I suspect are undereating, maybe they're reporting they're fatigued all the time, and what we're talking about, it feels like maybe they're not eating enough and they don't realize it. So I will actually have them track their intake for a while and their calorie counts will be something we look at.
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It can be really eyeopening to see that they're just not getting enough energy, enough fuel. Also, athletes or anyone with really specific goals might also find it helpful, but even then it might not be the calorie count overall that matters, but the amount of a particular macronutrient that matters. For example, a runner preparing for an endurance event like a marathon or a half marathon, might be doing at least a rough count of their carbohydrate intake. So the calories that are coming in form of carbohydrates so that they can meet a target for what's called carb loading. And of course, someone who's managing diabetes would also need to be aware of this as well.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (05:25):
Right. That's a good point. And also you mentioned when you create the meal plans, you're counting calories, and we will look at it with our mini IP also creating the meals, but it's more of a, as you mentioned, we're looking at it like making sure you have enough. We're not looking at the restrictive part. We're not taking out calories and like anything, right? If there's a medical reason behind it, then that's definitely a different story. But for most people, and I would say especially in the context of autoimmune disease, it's about the calorie number. It's about nutrients and what's in the food that matters, right? Our body runs on nutrients and vitamins, minerals, vital nutrients, not just calories. So if you're eating nutrient dense whole foods, your body will regulate itself better, and it might not be overnight. Healing takes times, and as we say, the body heals in layers, but focusing on that nutrient quality and quantity I think is a healthier way to look at it,
Jaime Hartman (06:26):
Right? So if you are going to count something, count nutrients instead of calories, I feel that the calorie focused mindset often leads to undereating. This is a big issue I see when someone is trying to successfully manage their autoimmune symptoms. You need the nutrients to balance your immune system. So I would talk about this with my clients and in my program Ready, set AIP that instead of focusing on what to eliminate and restrict focus on your nourishment, of course, that doesn't mean that you ignore the elimination part of it. It just means that you want plenty of nutrients, plenty of diversity, plenty of food to nourish you and repair.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (07:10):
And it's also a more positive and holistic way to look at it. Restriction feels like punishment, and it leads to a lot of stress in the body. And when the body feels deprived, it actually holds onto fat as a survival mechanism, which we want if we're actually stranded somewhere. And starving fat is our slow burning, reliable energy source. So it's the perfect source to hold onto and the body's smart and it will adapt. So that's another thing. If you're constantly feeding your body a thousand calories a day and starving, it will learn to function with 800 calories a day and then store that extra 200 just in case it's rationing because it thinks your life is in danger. It's a mechanism that is built in our DNA. That's how our ancestors survive and why we're here today. Right? The very reason we've made it here is because thousands of years ago, someone got really good at surviving without food and regulating rationing their fat. So that genetic ability is in all of us, we're designed to survive, not match some made up beauty standard on the cover of a magazine. What about, you mentioned that a little bit. What about counting macros?
Jaime Hartman (08:25):
Yeah, I did mention that when we were talking about carbohydrates for runners. That's on my mind a lot lately, but I also hear a ton about people counting protein. We're hearing this. It's really, really popular right now to maximize the protein intake that you have. And science tells us that actually our body is pretty good at telling us what we need in terms of protein. If you've ever had the experience of being served like a huge portion of protein, like a great big juicy steak, and you're eating it and you're eating it and it's delicious, and you just get to this point where you can't eat another bite, I just can't have another bite, but somehow you still have room for the sides and the dessert. You know what that feels like. That's that signal that's like you had enough protein now. And so it's always fascinating to me to think about, well, why is this just like you were just talking a minute ago, Marie-Noelle, about how it is that your body learned to store fat.
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What would be the advantage of having a regulator on how much protein, and my theory anyway, is that from an evolutionary perspective, it would be advantageous for your hunter gatherer ancestors to share protein with the rest of the group so that collectively the group has a better chance of surviving. My theory is that this self-regulating mechanism in terms of protein was beneficial. It would be so of that huge stake, it'd be the meat that we're sharing, and if everybody in the group had that regulator built in, then they'd be more likely that the group would get enough protein. So that's a built-in mechanism regardless of why we have it, we could tune into it, but if we're pushing past it and we're trying to trick our bodies into eating more protein than we really need, we're going to lose that connection with that cue as well,
Marie-Noelle Marquis (10:18):
Right? It's almost like the more we're ignoring it, the more we disconnect. Something that I often see is people who are calorie phobic often tend to be fat phobic too. Healthy fats are critical, they're so important. They build your cell membranes, they fuel the brain, they help us absorb vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin E. So without those healthy fats, your body literally cannot function at its best. And carbs another thing that people are scared of often,
Jaime Hartman (10:48):
Right? Carbs and fat are essential. And what's interesting is that we don't have that mechanism built in to restrict that. There must be some reason that our bodies develop to say, well, if there's enough fat available, eat as much of it as you can. If there's enough carbs available, eat as much of it as you can. Carbohydrates are essential. They truly are, especially when they come from whole fiber rich sources. Carbohydrates support your gut health, your blood sugar balance, and your energy. Your body doesn't store carbohydrates well. So yeah, it converts them to fat for storage. We talked about that already, why it does that. But when you cut too much carbohydrate from your diet, that can lead to stress in your body and nutrient deficiency, because a lot of those carbohydrates come packaged with a lot of great micronutrients that we really benefit from and that we need. When you're giving your body balanced nutrient rich carbohydrates, you avoid those blood sugar crashes and you also will support your microbiome with fiber.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (11:54):
What about keto?
Jaime Hartman (11:56):
Well, I think that keto has its place. It's a diet that was crafted for medical reasons, which we won't really get into today, but it also does help people lose weight. It can work for some people if that's their aim to lose weight. But just like AIP isn't meant to be an elimination diet forever, keto can have benefits, but there are also a lot of factors there. And it's easy to miss the true healing fundamentals when people are just looking at it as a weight loss plan.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (12:29):
And I think for me, it really comes down to identifying the root cause, right? There's such a stigma in our society about being overweight. I've heard so many clients come to me and tell me they go to the doctor and they're just told, well lose weight, you're too fat. So people head to the gym or restrict calories or starve themselves, and it puts so much pressure on the body, and it's such an unhealthy rhetoric in our mind. We're fat, we're losers. I was thinking, think of the show, the biggest losers, the person who came up with that very title for the show, they knew how that word hit home. And I think we all know that being overweight does not define our value as human being. So it's just a really, really toxic way to look at ourselves. And I think as a doctor to tell your patient just lose weight without anything else, without thinking about looking at a root cause is borderline malpractice. And I know it sounds extreme, but I think it is a huge problem. And no one is talking about the root cause of the weight gain in the first place.
Jaime Hartman (13:39):
I think understanding that there is a root cause to it is critical. Maybe it's that their blood sugar is dysregulated and they're dealing with insulin resistance. That could be from the type of food that we eat, but it also could have stress as a factor. Studies show that type two diabetes is definitely impacted by stress just as much as food. And maybe that stress then is also messing up your circadian rhythm and you're not sleeping well, which is crucial for repairing and decreasing inflammation.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (14:10):
Maybe someone has sleep apnea, not having enough oxygen to fuel our cells and repair tissues while we sleep will also lead to weight gain. And then inflammation itself can cause us to gain weight. Systemic inflammation will gum up our cell receptor. Think of it as a keyhole with chewing gum stuck in it. It basically will prevent that inflammation, will prevent hormones like our T three thyroid hormones, for example, to get inside our cells. And without T three, our entire metabolism slows down. Same thing with insulin. If your receptors are inflamed, we're not getting that insulin into our cells. So then there's so many hormones, so many factors like that will be impacted by inflammation disrupting our cell receptors. And then we have gut health that's linked into that as well.
Jaime Hartman (14:59):
Alright, gut inflammation will prevent nutrient absorption and whether it's gut inflammation or certain food or gut can have something called dysbiosis. Again, trying to define the words we use. Dysbiosis is an imbalance between the good and bad bacteria and that can impact all of the systems in the body and lead to weight gain.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (15:20):
And our gut is also responsible for making our neurotransmitters. So many people experiencing depression and anxiety are dealing with gut health and balances too. It's not just in our head. It's the result of this complex synergy of systems all working together. And you might be thinking, oh, when I get depressed or anxious, I overeat. I can't help it. I have no willpower. Things like we hear that, but actually none of this is really happening in your brain.
Jaime Hartman (15:48):
Also, some people will not eat. You'll hear people say, when I'm stressed, I'm not hungry, or I'm too busy, I don't feel hungry. And that's another clue. You can say that there's something deeper happening in the body. We've mentioned it earlier, but again, chronic stress as a big factor and stress can come from a lot of different sources, and it can also come from over exercising by the way. So if someone is obsessing with that calories in, calories out model, and so they're over training in order to kind of build up the calories out part of that, that can also lead to the body feeling unsafe and then holding onto extra weight as protection.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (16:30):
Yeah, that unsafe part, that's when we also see visceral fat building around the abdomen. Often highly stressed people will have thin or trimmed arms and legs and hold onto fat in their midsection, and that's also an evolutionary thing because we basically need the efficiency in our arms and legs to run from the lion or whatever, and the extra padding around our organs for protection. There's always a why and hunting for that why is yes a lot of work, but it is absolutely vital in my opinion, and for long-term management of our health, you want to know that
Jaime Hartman (17:08):
Why? Well, that's why working with a professional like a functional health practitioner or an AIP Certified Coach can be so helpful. Keep in mind these practitioners are individual people too who have their own specialties. So if you're listening to this podcast regularly, we're interviewing AIP Certified Coaches with a vast variety of background and different specialties. So one coach might not be the perfect fit for you based on your specific needs, and that's totally okay. So even if it's a really well-known coach, it's okay to talk to your coach, your practitioner if you feel you're not getting the support you need, and most will be happy to refer you out to someone else who may be able to support you better.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (17:54):
Yes, and or do your own research too. You can use the AIP Certified Coach directory and you'll also be able to read people's specialties on there and have a list of questions and book a discovery call. Most coaches and practitioners in the functional health space offer complimentary discovery calls nowadays, and it's for that very purpose to find out if the relationship is a good fit. I want to work with clients that I know I can help. I don't want to waste my time and their time, and it might not be intuitive for someone to ask those questions because I think we are used to just showing up at the doctor's office that's in our insurance network and just hope that they're a good fit. But I had a chat with my partner recently and I was like, well, I got a new doctor. I hope he's going to be okay. I hope he's going to understand, right? So the reality, if it's okay for us to actually shop around and ask questions and make sure that we do feel supported and well guided because you're partnering with someone on this journey, we always say you're the expert in your own body and your coach or your practitioner has that knowledge and experience to help guide you, but it is a relationship, it's a partnership really.
Jaime Hartman (19:11):
So to recap, healing isn't just about what's on the plate. And as we always say at the end of our episodes, AIP reminds us that lifestyle is just as important. Things like sleep, like resetting our circadian rhythm with morning sunlight and less blue light at night, thinking about stress management and self-care, thinking about self-care. It isn't being lazy, thinking about your stress that's about signaling to your body that there's safety movement, the right kind of exercise, often gentle exercise that supports lymph and detoxification without creating inflammation. And then connections, things like relationships, laughter, joy. These literally help the gut and the immune system repair. And those along with eating nutrient rich whole foods are the pillars that we advocate for in the autoimmune protocol.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (20:11):
Exactly. All those pillars impact systems in the body and regulate our metabolism a lot more than calorie counting and calorie deficits. Again, remember where you're at and treat yourself with gentle care. We're often trained to be hard on ourselves, to treat ourselves with tough love per se, right? When we're dealing with chronic illness, let's try to change that mindset to nourishment and abundance. Let's get plenty of all those pillars. Spoil yourself with sleep and self-care and nutrients and et cetera. This does build a safe of safety. And when our body feels safe, it can let go. Let go of toxins of extra weight. It doesn't need all that stuff. And remember what your ideal weight might not be what the cover of the magazine shows you, and that's perfectly okay. It's about balance.
Jaime Hartman (21:01):
So to wrap up this episode, we want to share with you some words from one of our colleagues, Dr. Angela Grace. Dr. Grace is a psychologist and an expert in eating disorders. She is an AIP Certified Coach herself, and we have tapped her expertise to become a guest teacher in the AIP Certified Coach practitioner training program, helping all of us learn how to help our clients navigate weight issues and recognize when disordered eating may even be an issue. So here you're going to hear a portion of the presentation she delivered at the 2022 AIP Summit entitled, why Not Weight? Let's listen. And then Marie-Noelle and I will be back on the other side to wrap things up.
Angela Grace (21:53):
So we're going to begin with understanding weight worries. So I invite you to let yourself be still let yourself reflect to the extent that you want to at this time. If you need to zone out a little bit, that's totally okay, but just know this is your life story and this is your body image and weight story as well. So I want you to think of these next little scenarios in terms of how you feel in your own skin. You may feel terrific, pretty good. Okay, neutral, not that great or terrible. Don't spend too much time deeply thinking about it, just kind of touch on it and pull yourself out. Okay? So I want you to think about how you felt in your own skin when you were about five, six years old, playing outside on a nice sunny day.
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So I've done this exercise with thousands of people, and typically around this age, most people say they felt pretty good or terrific, and what people talk about is they feel good because they're just moving their body, using their body, their kids, they don't think about their body, they just carry on and live life. And so for most people at that time, it was a pretty good time in your own skin. Now, some people didn't feel good if there was an injury or illness or some bullying, teasing, abuse going on, then that would leave children to feel pretty terrible in their own skin. But for the most part, people just play and enjoy themselves. And now let's move forward. How did you feel in your own skin during puberty when body changes started to happen against your will?
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For most people, they say, I moved from terrific and pretty good to not that great or terrible. Puberty is a very vulnerable time. When our bodies change against our will, people start noticing these changes. There can be comments made, hurtful things said, experiences like being picked last for teams that can be really, really hard on people. Sexualization abuse can be really hard on kids as well. So people do tend to shift from feeling great to not feeling that great. On the other hand, some protective factors where kids still feel good in their skin are being involved in school, in non-competitive school sports or activities that made them feel good, having supportive friends and parents, not a lot of body comparisons happening. So again, it's a fluctuation how people feel in their own bodies. Let's set that one aside and let's move forward. How are you feeling in your own skin now as you're potentially dealing with the impact of autoimmune issues, life stressors, pregnancies or not pregnancies, changes that have happened, injuries that have happened? How are you feeling in your own skin now?
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And this is the one thing that this activity shows us is that some days can be great, other days can be not so great. I know for myself, when I am focused on following autoimmune paleo of keeping my stress levels down of doing things, I enjoy keeping up with my yoga practice and my self-care. I typically feel pretty good ranging, okay, pretty good, terrific. However, when there's a major stressor that happens or I have an autoimmune flare, then I am definitely in the area of not feeling that great and feeling terrible in my body. So these are just some ideas that our body image and how we feel it changes, it fluctuates. And what we need to do is keep coming back to the self-care and the treatment that keeps us feeling as best we can to get through life in the body that we have.
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So I like to think of it, our body image and experiences, weight related issues in terms of spheres of influence. So this is from an eating disorder specialist, Diane Newmark Stainer. And so I just modified it a bit from her research. So think of it as we are all born into a body. We're little spirits that are born into these human bodies, and we have to get used to them and how to take care of them. That's what our entire childhood and adolescence about is about is how do we take care of these bodies? Well, we've all got our own little personalities as well and our individual characteristics that influence how we feel at our own skin. And we're born into these places called families, well families. If you have attuned parents who really give you what you need when you're little, help you experience your body and learn about it, then you're probably going to be pretty attuned to your body.
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However, if there's families with some neglect, maybe their own weight related issues, their own weight related discrimination that they're dealing with their own body image issues, then it can be really hard to pass on positive behaviors and attitudes to children if parents don't experience it themselves. And then we go to these weird things called schools where a whole bunch of children are lumped into the same classroom together, expected to all get along. But what often happens is some comparisons. Why is your skin that color? Why is mine this color? Why is your body this tall? Why is my body this short? Why as we go through our school years, why do bodies develop at different ages and stages? So schools can be a place of body comparison and body-based bullying and teasing. They can also be a place of empowerment by getting engaged in activities and being with people that care about you and the same things and want you to feel good about yourself. We're born into communities where there's socioeconomic factors that influence weight and bodies.
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There are cultural beliefs and factors that influence how we feel about ourselves and other people's bodies. And we're also born into society. So we're born in a day and age of social media. We're born in a day and age of lots of comparisons and health scares around weight. So there really are a number of influences that influence how we are in our own skin and what we come to believe about weight. So this is a bit of an older slide from Dr. Shelley Russell Mayhew out of the University of Calgary. But I really love how it encapsulates the continuum of body image and eating disorders. So along the bottom are there are attitudes and feelings about our bodies. Along the side are the behaviors that we engage in to look after our bodies. So this corner describes body awareness and acceptance where we generally feel good about our bodies and are attuned to them.
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We eat when we're hungry, we stop when we're full. We eat a wide variety of foods to get our nourishment. We engage in activity that makes us feel good in our own skin. So this is a very healthy corner to be in. And then something happens for many of us where we start to become preoccupied with our bodies, how it looks, how it should be, how it feels. And we're taught in this society that if you want to change your body or feel better in your skin, then you need to better watch what you eat and you better start exercising. So that's when restrictive eating, overeating over exercise can come in because for every diet there is an equal and opposite binge. And so when people start dieting, it is the open door to becoming preoccupied with your body. Along with that, people can start binging compulsive exercising.
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I know that's what I used to do was restrictive diet, compulsive exercise. And turns out those two things combined can lead to autoimmune issues. Then we move up into the realm of body paralysis where people become so consumed with their bodies, it's all they can think about, and they do everything they can to change it. And that's where the realm of eating disorders comes in. Anorexia, bulimia, binge eating disorder. Now, I just want to say this is not a continuum of a hierarchy of disordered eating eating disorders. It's just simply, I couldn't put all the words on the same line. You wouldn't be able to read them. So they're all considered equally harmful.
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So during my research, I really initially thought that eating disorders were like a teenage girls issue, although I know we grow up and people of all ages can have eating disorders. But when I really started to look at what leads to poor body image, weight related issues and eating disorders, it really came down to oppression. So this is my own perspective of how we become oppressed and how that influences how we take care of our bodies. So it begins with external comments, experiences, or images that are clearly less than ideal. It then moves to an internal sense of confusion, doubt, fear and pain. And the combination of the external power over an internal sense of being is in fact oppression. When a person feels a sense of oppression on the outside, it often becomes internalized oppression on the inside. And with that internalized oppression comes a deep sense of shame that you are not good enough as you are or in the skin you're in. And when a person experiences shame, then they want to do something about it and have a desire to feel better. In the realm of weight related issues, eating disorders and body image issues, there can be addictions, there can be weight worries, eating disorders and body image issues, and there can also be self-harm. So it's all in the same realm of externalized oppression creates internalized a desire to change it, which can often lead to harmful behaviors.
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So in the world of eating disorders and weight-related issues, feeling fat is more detrimental than actually being fat. So weight-based stigma and discrimination, this is from the Yukon Red Center, so I highly recommend that you check out that website for all the best practice information. But what we found is that people who have a higher body weight are vulnerable to stereotypes, bias, bullying, and discrimination in our society. It's also known as weight bias or weight stigma. These experiences occur for children and adults in many aspects of life. There is weight discrimination in the workplace from healthcare professionals in the media. There's barriers, barriers in education and weight stigma in the interpersonal relationships. I personally just had a friend text me in distress that a new guy she started seeing told her that he really wanted his women to be much thinner than how she was.
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And so of course, she ditched him because it's just not appropriate at all to be judging people on their size even before developing a relationship. So weight-based stigma and discrimination is really, really harmful. Stigmatizing experiences are harmful, leading to both immediate and long-term consequences for emotional and physical health and reducing the quality of life. So if feeling fat is worse than actually having fat on your body, what it actually means is we are more afraid of being stigmatized for our body size. That is actually more harmful than having flesh on your body. So it is the relational trauma of being stigmatized that we are afraid of, not the actual weight itself.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (34:50):
That was Dr. Angela Grace. Again, this is a presentation she delivered at the 2022 AIP Summit that's entitled, why Not Wait? So highly recommend members of the AIP Summit Community, and if you're not, join in to definitely listen to the entire presentation. It's really great. I love what she says about the externalized oppression, creating internalized oppression, and it really resonated with me. And I thought about, I would say that, oh, I'm someone who struggled with weight my entire life. And then I'll look at pictures of me and go, why did I think I was fat? And even though I looked fine inside, I know how I felt, and I know the pressure. I've mentioned that before. But I came to Los Angeles and I was working as an actor for many, many years, and that was the epitome of restricting your calories and weight and you're always too fat and you're always too fat. And that rhetorics and how it does create that, you just carry it with you.
Jaime Hartman (35:51):
Yeah, I really, really appreciated that sentiment. That is a great one for us to all remind ourselves the vast majority of people, the weight that you perceive to be excess. It's that perception that is harming you far more than the actual weight. Everyone, thank you for joining us today. We hope that we were able to shed light on why calorie restriction might not be in your best interest. And of course, when it comes to a healing protocol like AIP, we're actually not even just talking about diet or about food, but about it being a complete protocol with multiple branches and remembering that there are multiple ways to approach it. Through this podcast, AIP Certified Coaches bring you resources so that you can feel confident about doing AIP on your own. But with the knowledge that you aren't doing AIP alone,
Marie-Noelle Marquis (36:47):
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Jaime Hartman (36:54):
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