Jaime Hartman (00:07):
Welcome to the AIP Summit Podcast, your go- to resource for taking control of your autoimmune health, presented by AIP Certified Coaches. Hi, I'm Jaime Hartman.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:18):
And I'm Marie-Noelle Marquis, and we are here to equip you with the tools, knowledge, and support you need to effectively use the autoimmune protocol.
Jaime Hartman (00:26):
And today we are welcoming back one of our most beloved guests, someone who has been a driving force behind AIP since the very beginning. Listeners, we have a special treat for you this week. Mickey Trescott is back and this time she's here to talk about her brand new book, The New Autoimmune Protocol.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:52):
If you haven't listened to episode two where Mickey joined us to talk about the origins of AIP, the AIP Certified Coach Program, and where she saw the protocol heading, we'd definitely encourage you to go back and listen, but you don't need to have heard it to enjoy today's conversation.
Jaime Hartman (01:07):
What I love about having Mickey back with us is that when she joined us way back in episode two, she was painting a picture of where AIP was going. And now this book is essentially what that future looks like. It's here. The protocol has been updated, the science has grown, and Mickey has put it all together in on place. Marie-Noelle, you and I had the great privilege of getting an early peak at the book, and I know that we both agree it is going to be an amazing resource for current and future autoimmune patients and their healthcare providers. What did you personally like best about it?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (01:45):
I think what I really love about the new book is how incredibly comprehensive it is. So obviously it doesn't replace working with a qualified practitioner or AIP Certified Coach, but it truly gives people a level of support and education that feels very complete and empowering. So the recipes are of course beautiful, delicious, approachable by the way, but it goes so much deeper than that. And I think it really walks you through that entire why, why behind the autoimmune protocol, with the science, the research, the foundations of the protocol, where it came from, why it can be so impactful for people dealing with autoimmune disease. And it does so in a way that it's clear and again, easily approachable. You don't need to have studied medicine to understand it. I also love that it really helps readers understand that there's not just one rigid way to approach healing.
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There are, like we say, multiple branches and different ways to personalize the protocol depending on your body, your history, and your needs. And I feel like that message is communicated so thoughtfully throughout the whole book. And I think also to have that sort of one go- to trusted resource to reference when you're on a health journey like the autoimmune protocol, it's incredibly important. And Mickey's new book, The New Autoimmune Protocol does exactly that.
Jaime Hartman (03:08):
Well, let's get into it. Will you do the honors and introduce her?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (03:12):
Again, our guest today is Mickey Trescott. She is an author, educator, and one of the pioneers of the autoimmune protocol. Mickey was diagnosed with celiac disease and Hashimoto's thyroiditis over a decade ago and used AIP to reclaim her health. Since then, she has dedicated her work to making AIP accessible, evidence-based and sustainable for others. She is the founder of Autoimmune Wellness, co-creator of the AIP Certified Coach Practitioner Training Program and the author of several books including The Autoimmune Paleo Cookbook and her latest book, The New Autoimmune Protocol is the first comprehensive update to the protocol since its inception. And it is what brings her back to our show today.
Jaime Hartman (03:59):
Mickey, when we had you on back in episode two, you were talking about the future of AIP and where AIP was headed. Now you've written the book that captures that evolution. So what does it feel like to have it out in the world? And did the book turn out to be what you expected it would be?
Mickey Trescott (04:21):
Yeah. So when I wrote this book, we had been fresh off the heels of updating AIP in 2024, which actually that exploration started in 2023. So now we're about three years in of using the modified approach, especially with the AIP Certified Coach community. So this isn't new, but in terms of putting it together in this resource, it just feels very fresh. It feels very not permanent, but basically the next phase of AIP, it gives it this anchor. And I think the AIP community really needed something that was easy to understand, put all of the research into basically perspective of how to move forward in a modern, modified way. And so yeah, it feels kind of like a little bit of both, like something that feels very new and fresh and exciting, but also something that Jaime, you and I have been working on this project of updating AIP now for a while the coaches have implemented it so that doesn't fee fresh, but kind of having the anchor and in the book and to it being what I imagined, yes, I imagined creating something because with my first book, The Autoimmune Paleo Cookbook, I wrote that in 2013.
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I was still very sick myself. I hadn't really navigated even the reintroduction phase yet. I think a lot of us hadn't yet. We were just so excited about the elimination phase that I wrote this elimination phase book, but what I realized now 15 years later that book became the anchor of the recipes in the community. So I've had a lot of time to think about what do I want to carry the AIP community into the next 15 years. So we've had all of this expansion with the research and the coaching community, which I never could have imagined in that sick autoimmune patient myself just experimenting and doing this for myself. But now when I think about the next wave of kind of what's coming, I really wanted this to be the fully formed version of the protocol that everyone can use to get the best success given their unique circumstance.
Jaime Hartman (06:40):
And we're going to talk more and a little bit about the research and all those things, but first I wanted to give you my personal reaction to specifically the recipes in this book because just for our listeners, if you aren't yet really familiar with what's in the book, it is definitely a cookbook, I would say. Wouldn't you agree, Mickey? Would you describe it as a cookbook? Oh yeah. Yeah. It's much more than that, but absolutely it's a cookbook. And I was just thrilled to get my hands on that advanced copy. I've been cooking from it for some time now. Every recipe I have tried so far has been a total hit. Even with my husband who has zero dietary restrictions and is a self-professed picky eater, he particularly liked the pork udon stir fry, which was in, for our listeners in the section of recipes that is specifically modified AIP.
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And my favorite was the lemon tarragon turkey skillet so far, which is a breakfast recipe, but I ate it all times a day, but it was definitely a good breakfast and that one is in the core section. So for people who have their books in hand and are looking for them. And I will say, honestly, when I read the list of ingredients for the lemon tarragon turkey skillet, it just didn't really sound like anything that special or exciting, but there was something about the flavor combination that was unexpected and really satisfying. Okay. So my question though is knowing that those recipes were winners for us, what else do you think we would enjoy? Yeah.
Mickey Trescott (08:06):
So for the udon noodles, something that's so cool about those oodon noodles, they have this amazing texture and they actually keep well for leftovers. I don't know if there was enough to have leftovers, but that's one thing. Okay. That's one thing that I really like about some of these gluten-free noodles is now they are really developed to have a nice texture when you're eating, which is usually the complaint with rice noodles, but they actually even keep for leftovers. So the noodle bowl, sorry you didn't have leftovers, but if you make it again, it actually works. The soba noodle bowl. So soba noodles have buckwheat. You have to be careful because some soba noodles actually have wheat and buckwheat. So those are not gluten free. So you need to check your label. There are 100% buckwheat versions and there are buckwheat and rice versions. But I have a soba noodle bowl that I think your husband will probably like.
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It has chicken and shiitake mushrooms. It has this kind of pestoy green sauce, although it doesn't have dairy and it's kind of all mixed in with a little bit of radishes on top and it's really beautiful and delicious. The other thing is the tarragon skillet, there is a pork skillet that has some sweet potatoes and some apples. I think I call it the spiced pork skillet. One of the funny things about the recipe names is that internally when I'm doing recipe development, I have the most basic names to all my recipes and I still think they're called that. And then my editor goes through and she's just all of these cute names. So I often forget what they are, but I think it's called the spiced pork skillet and it actually is a modified recipe. It has a really fun flavor combination with a little bit of cinnamon and some ginger and it's got some warming spices in there.
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And I have it built as a breakfast, but again, you can have it for any meal, but I think you guys would really like those.
Jaime Hartman (09:56):
Thanks for that because we will definitely be checking those out. And I haven't made either of those yet, even though I've made a bunch of other recipes. You are really great at those great flavor combinations. That's really a hallmark of a Mickey recipe.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (10:12):
And our listeners who may not know, I'm the founder of Urban AIP, a food company that focuses on creating 100% core autoimmune protocol compliant meals and snacks that are made with nutrient-dense, organic, and high quality ingredients. One thing that's always been really important to me with Urban AIP is collaborations. So highlighting other businesses, practitioners and chefs within the AIP and wellness space whose work we truly believe in. And one of those collaborations I've especially been really excited about over the past year has been our partnership with Mickey Trescott. So we've had the privilege of featuring some of Mickey's recipes through Urban AIP and I'm thrilled to announce that we'll also be bringing some of the recipes from her new book to our menu. So we actually just launched that lemon terragon turkey skillet this week, which Jaime and I both absolutely loved and there are many, many more dishes coming soon.
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So as we continue rolling out our spring and summer menu at UrbanEIP, we'll be featuring more of Mickey's new recipe. So definitely make sure to follow along because we're really excited to share them with ... And if you're listening to the podcast today, we have a special offer. So use the code new AIP at checkout to receive 15% off all of meals featuring Mickey's recipe.
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Mickey, so when we spoke in episode two, you also mentioned that modified AIP came out of feedback from AIP Certified Coaches in the field. So how much of the rest of this book would you say was also shaped by coaches and what they were seeing with their clients?
Mickey Trescott (11:47):
Yeah. So really the transition phase has been completely updated. The transition phase historically back in that 2014 when I first started writing cookbooks, people were not thinking about transition. They were just doing AIP. And then I became a coach. The coaching community started, we started teaching the coaches and transition became something that we taught the coaches to think about and to worry about, but it was really a small part of just navigating someone, helping them go through AIP. Now I'm at the point where I see a lot of the problems that people have in elimination actually start from not really doing a lot of things that can be done in transition. So over time we have started to reframe some of the program in AIP Certified Coach to include more material for like how you prepare someone, how you prepare their mind, how you prepare their kitchen, how you prepare their support networks.
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And that's something that we have been teaching the coaches for a while, but in terms of the public facing resources, there still were no resources for transition. People learning about AIP from going on our websites or reading our blogs were still just assuming maybe they do it quickly or they do it slowly. We were mentioning like, some people need a little more time, but there was really no official guidance. So with this book, transition is an official phase that has the same amount of thought and care and planning and steps as like the elimination phase or the reintroduction phase. And so with this book, I have broken down transition into five steps and those steps are first to baseline track. So many people start AIP without having a snapshot of their symptoms and I don't want anyone doing that because then you can't remember how you felt back in the day, right?
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Maybe three days, three weeks, three months ago, you're not going to remember. So baseline tracking is so important. Even if you have done nothing, actually it's especially important before you do anything. The second thing is developing your why and your healthcare vision because things are going to get hard and you're going to need that motivation to really bolster you as you go through the process. The third thing is actually a exercise that I developed called a confidence assessment. And it's something that we've been kind of long teaching in the AIP Certified Coach community, really in identifying all the different areas where people need to pre-solve problems, barriers, things that are going to come up during elimination. We've realized that when you work with an individual, you interview them, you kind of figure out what's your life like? Do you know how to cook? How much money do you have to allocate towards doing this?
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Everybody's answers to those questions are different. So I've turned that into an exercise where people can do a test, you can figure out which areas of your life are going to make it harder for you to transition.
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And then that fourth step is actually going to be select your start date. Now you might be like, why am I not doing the things to actually transition? And this is because you're going to give yourself enough time to do the fifth step, which is prepare. So take action on anything that was highlighted in your confidence assessment. So you might pick a start date that's in two weeks. If you're a great cook, you've got time, you've got money, you've got support, spoiler alert. Most people are not this person, right? But most people are going to take more like a month. They might even take six weeks. They might take two months. If you are somebody who only relies on convenience food, doesn't know how to cook, needs some time to figure out where to buy things and how to prioritize your finances, all of that.
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So transition now is robust and there's a framework, there's a plan to follow, there's a timeline and that is brand new as of this book. And then outside of transition, the reintroduction procedure hasn't changed although with modified there's new stage charts, there's a couple little details that have changed, but there is more information just about the experience of going through reintroductions and framing AIP as something that you don't do forever. So this is something that is not new to us in the AIP community. We have been talking about this for probably over 10 years now. I think 15 years we were all about the elimination. But then once we all started going through reintroduction and seeing how powerful it is to expand the diet and have something that is more sustainable, this is something that we've always taught with the coaches, but still the public really has missed some of those key points that AIP is not meant to be done long term or forever.
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And so I've really included much more robust language about the reintroduction phase about how important and essential it is and then how to navigate it because it is very tricky. It is very challenging. It is not as straightforward as elimination. So that's kind of what's new with the book. I
Marie-Noelle Marquis (16:50):
Know also the medical research has influenced the book. So can you share with the listeners some of the key ways that the medical and the scientific communities evolving understanding of autoimmune disease, how that shows up in the book?
Mickey Trescott (17:02):
Yeah. So there are now eight published studies using the autoimmune protocol as an intervention for different autoimmune conditions. So I won't give you guys a summary of the research if you guys want to check it out. The autoimmuneprotocol.com is my website. I have a detailed article on every single condition, but we have research in IBD including Crohn's and ulcerative colitis. There are four studies. In Hashimoto's thyroiditis, there are two studies and in rheumatoid arthritis, there are two studies and there is one unpublished study in eczema and psoriasis that I know some background information, but it hasn't been published yet. So at this point, we can call that a body of literature. We can see patterns in how people that have implemented AIP in a clinical research setting, which is different than even a coaching setting. With the coaches, there are over 1,000 coaches. And if you think of the capability of each coach to how many people they might be working with, it could be dozens.
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And actually some of these coaches are very prolific and they've worked with hundreds of autoimmune patients. So we have these bodies of information. I like to think of the AIP community, the anecdotes, the people sharing their stories. This is like one bucket of information. The coaches and the people that they work with and the things that they report back to us as the leaders of the community, that's another bucket. And then the research is the most controlled research setting where we are learning some of the finer points, the details about AIP. And I think how that really influenced this book is that first of all, we now know that AIP implementing the elimination phase, it brings meaningful improvement at about three of every four people who try it. And we know that because in IBD, in Hashimoto's, in rheumatoid arthritis, this is kind of a consistent pattern.
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Not everyone. There are certain people who have had some adverse effects in the studies who haven't responded and we've learned a lot about the reasons why and kind of those individual people who maybe don't respond. In the IBD study, we had a couple people who had strictures, which is actually a narrowing of the intestine. So the atel diet that is very, very high in fiber, which for a lot of people wouldn't cause anything more than some GI upset if they overdo it. But for people that just don't have the space for that to pass through, that can be a medical emergency. So we learned that in rheumatoid arthritis, there was one patient in the pilot trial that actually got worse and it turns out this person was eating a ton of cassava, which is a food that most people don't eat until they try AIP and it's a novel food.
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So I would say that the details, most people see improvement when they do AIP, which is something that we've all seen in our clinical practice, but then there are people for which individualizing, personalizing, looking at some root causes, look at how they're implementing like this cassava person or this stricture person and really being able to hopefully get them some one-on-one support to help them troubleshoot that. The other thing that the research really informed is that the transition and the elimination phases, how we use them. So in a lot of the studies, not every single one, but in most of them there was a transition phase that was six weeks and having that prep, that slow basically meaningful transition is important. And so I think that really reinforces that transition is an important part of the process. The other thing is that the modified protocol has come out of some of the details that we learned in the study.
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I talk about the studies in the book. For anybody who's interested, they can read those sections. Hopefully those summaries are really helpful, but I do think it is really important to know that the thing that you are doing has been studied. We are learning about that. We have taken that into consideration when updating the protocol. So the thing that you're doing is the best chance of success given all of the evidence that we have from all those different buckets.
Jaime Hartman (21:15):
Okay. So just for a couple of minutes, let's talk about how this book is going to appeal to the experienced AIP-er for lack of a better term, people who are familiar with your previous books. What is either the most important thing they're going to learn from this book? You've already talked about some of that, maybe pick out one or two, or what are they going to be excited about? What do you see or what are you hearing maybe from people who are already getting their hands in the book, what they're really liking about it when they put it into the kind of body of your work overall?
Mickey Trescott (21:48):
Yeah. So I mean, I think the biggest group of people that are going to be helped by this book are those who have done core AIP. So this is the original protocol. They've done it in the past. They found it too hard and they gave up at some point because of it was too expensive, it was too hard to implement, it was too few foods. There are all these reasons why people can't do that original protocol. And now with modified, modified is so much easier. It's more accessible. It has more of an expanded list of foods. And when you hear the foods, you think that adding rice, adding pseudo grains like quinoa, adding seeds and adding gee, it doesn't sound like that many foods, but these foods really solve a lot of problems when it comes to affordability, convenience, just flow in the kitchen and managing how much time you're spending on cooking food and sourcing ingredients and everything.
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So for those people, I think this is going to be a game changer for them because if you're revisiting AIP and you're still curious about doing it, modified is actually the protocol that I recommend most people start today because all of these barriers like stress really affect our autoimmune conditions. So if you can do this with less stress, you're actually more likely to achieve success. Not only are you more likely to actually implement it successfully enough to manage your inflammation and figure out what foods are triggering your symptoms. So for the people who have tried AIP, found it too hard, fell off the wagon, that kind of thing, I think modified is going to be a game changer. For the people who have done AIP and are kind of stuck not reintroducing foods, I'm actually hoping that some of those modified recipes and some of the discussions about bringing in additional foods actually help them expand their diets.
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Thinking about long-term nutrient density, sustainability, traveling, all of these things, now you have, if you're in those early reintroduction stages, you have a half of that cookbook that can actually serve for some of that reintroduction process and help you expand. A lot of these foods are really good for people who like rice, particularly anybody who is an athlete or exercises a lot or has a higher caloric need, maybe you are pregnant or breastfeeding, maybe you're growing like a child or a teenager, maybe you're somebody who is underweight and doesn't want to lose weight on a restricted diet. This can be so helpful. Legumes actually can both be a cultural food. So if you have a history and legumes are a cultural food for you, it might be actually much more easy to implement including these foods. They're also very good for the microbiome. They have some very interesting fiber qualities.
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Now, of course, for some people, I sadly am one of these people that my digestion doesn't love the type of fiber that is in legumes, but some people feel that their microbiome, their gut health is actually expanded by including them. So I'm hoping that people think of a little more of an expansive approach after encountering the book.
Jaime Hartman (25:04):
Yeah. You raise some points there that I, from personal experience can really relate to when I started what we now call Core AIP back in the day when it was just AIP. A couple things happened to me. One was that I was indeed underweight and I lost a little bit more weight and it was very scary for my family members who are concerned about this diet, but I also found that I was very fatigued and had some really almost depressive emotional states that were really unusual for me. Knowing what I know now, if I was coaching a client going through that, I would be looking at my carb intake, my carbohydrate intake very seriously. And I think that's one way that modified AIP can be a really, really good entry point for people who have any of those things going on. So thanks for mentioning those.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (26:00):
Mickey, so everyone that we feature on this podcast are AIP Certified Coaches, including Jaime and myself. And we talk a lot about how these professionals can help people feel like they are not doing AIP alone. So let's talk about the coach relationship with this book. So how does this book change or enhance what an AIP Certified Coach can offer to their clients? Is there a way you see coaches using it as a tool in their practice and for someone who reads this book and does well implementing AIP on their own, how do you make the case for why they might still benefit from working with an AIP coach?
Mickey Trescott (26:40):
Great question. So I definitely designed this book to be a resource both for people who want to implement AIP on their own and also for AIP Certified Coaches who are using it in their practice as a starting point with their clients. So everybody needs recipes. Everybody needs to have the food lists and the resources and the guides. So part of the goal with the book is to really create a complete resource where all of that information is there because as a coach, you don't want your client to be emailing you or texting you and being like, "Is this food included?" And having a bunch of printed handouts floating around. So if they just have the book, they have the recipes, they have meal plans, they have the program guide and they know that everything in there is fully updated as per the current protocol, which if you go on the internet right now, there are lots of incorrect resources and especially with the inclusion now of modified AIP.
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First of all, there were historically sources that were not according to the common AIP, but now there's a lot of resources that don't even acknowledge modified. So this is going to be the fully updated official program, right? And then so for the coaches, you're not helping them with the food lists, right? Everybody has the food list, that's on the internet. The thing that a coach is helping them with is personalization. If you're making any changes because there are so many things that individuals come to this protocol with their own health conditions, with their own family dynamics, with their own specific needs that a coach can help them say, "You're going to do this additional thing. Maybe you're going to add a food in during elimination. Maybe you're going to eliminate some other foods based on some other condition you have or sensitivity or whatever." That's what a coach does.
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They personalize, they help you troubleshoot and actually at multiple points in the book where if somebody is just doing this on their own and they start going through it and then they get to the troubleshooting elimination phase, you will read a point that says, "For this issue, you might actually want to work with a coach because there is no straight guaranteed answer that I can tell you even having worked with hundreds if not thousands of people in groups at this point I don't know. I can't give you an answer of what's going to work for you, but a good coach is going to interview you. They're going to take your history, they're going to look at your lifestyle and they're going to help you figure out your options given that specific issue. So I think it's kind of a both and people can use it to walk through AIP on their own and if they're successful on their own, they don't have to troubleshoot amazing.
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Coaches can use it to have their clients just have a fully updated resource so that they don't have to be communicating, well, that book actually thinks that Pepper is included in the elimination phase, but it's really not. There's no explanation. It's just you hand it to them and it's fully compliant. And then they can be a resource to people who are maybe doing this process themselves and troubleshooting, which we've all had this experience. People come to us having Having done AIP on their own and then having some trouble and needing to engage a coach, that's a very normal experience. Why would you hire a coach if you can do it yourself and get great results? But a lot of people end up needing that personal support. So that's kind of where that comes in.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (30:18):
And you've described coaches as bridges between wanting to make the lifestyle change and actually doing it successfully. Do you feel like this book changed where that bridge starts or what's expected of someone before they seek out a coach?
Mickey Trescott (30:33):
It really depends on the person. So some people who are willing to take the time to read a book cover to cover, take the advice, prepare themselves, do a thing. This is a very highly motivated person. They probably don't have brain fog, which is tough. If you've got Hashimoto's, you've got your own barriers to synthesizing information and implementing it. There's going to be a certain person that's just going to be able to do that on their own, but a lot of people really can benefit from having a personal connection with a coach. It's kind of like your friend and buddy who's done it before. If you've ever had a friend that's gone through something that you're now going through and you can call them up and be like, "Hey, what do I do here?" So I think that it's both. I think some people can do it on their own, but I think a lot of people benefit from coaching and what point a person starts to engage with coaching.
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Sometimes it's on the extreme end of troubleshooting. I've been troubleshooting on my own. I've done this, this, this, this, and this. Sometimes it's kind of like not even implementation yet and this is hard. I need help. And wherever you're at, all those things are fine. It's just up to the individual person. But I think for coaches, our skills are really best used when we have someone who's already kind of done a little bit of experimenting and implementing for themselves. So hopefully the book gives people a starting point so that they're not just coming to a coach and expecting their first session to be an explanation of, "Here's the foods you're going to avoid," and then being like, "Wow, I didn't know. " You can pay a coach to tell you that, but it's probably not the best use of your money. You'd probably rather be engaging them in, how am I going to make this specifically most successful for me where I'm at right now?
Jaime Hartman (32:28):
I know that you are really hopeful about the medical community's buy-in of AIP and on the research front. So looking more broadly now, zooming out, where would you say things are standing now? Has your optimism for that medical community's buy-in grown or shifted in any way?
Mickey Trescott (32:48):
Yeah, it's growing and actually I'm hearing about things that are even surprising to me even in this phase. So a couple things that have happened recently, I know you both have been involved in the same advocacy work with the Autoimmune Association that I have, but just showing up in those rooms that are very conventional with patients, with provider advocates, with lawmakers on Capitol Hill and just seeing the interest and the support in diet and lifestyle therapies, both from researchers and from patients, like hearing everybody talk about their stories and kind of the things that they do to manage their health, the advice that they've been given by providers to try some of these things, it's just so encouraging to hear that. Another thing is there was earlier this year, the NIH did a NOURISH Autoimmunity Challenge. So they have this Office of Autoimmune Disease Research and they gave away some prizes for people in the community who are doing research projects for nutrition and autoimmune disease.
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And they gave away $150,000 in 10 different prizes to different groups. And many of the submissions were actually elimination diet protocols. One of them was actually extremely close to AIP. It's the ITIS trial for rheumatoid arthritis. And then also there was an AIP presentation that I actually didn't know anything about, but it was by the Myositis Foundation where they've heard from their patients that they're interested in AIP. So they put together a study proposal and they won one of the prizes. So I'm just encouraged that other researchers, other disease organizations, AIP is on their radar. They are interested, they're excited. Obviously we are all excited and I'm talking to basically every researcher that I know and trying to get contact with anyone who's interested in studying this. But I actually think that it is highly likely that we're going to be overwhelmed in the next couple years just because as these different organizations figure out A, this has potential and B, their patient, their communities want the research.
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I think the next wave is actually going to be an explosion. So I'm very excited about it.
Jaime Hartman (35:10):
That's so exciting to hear. I share your optimism and I'm glad you got a chance to articulate that for our listeners. Finally, if there's just one thing you want someone who's listening to this episode to take away and bring into their personal implementation of AIP, or if they're a practitioner into how they are implementing it or using it with their patients or their clients.
Mickey Trescott (35:34):
So the one thing that I'm really focusing on right now is that healing doesn't end in the elimination phase. I've gotten a lot of resistance when I talk about AIP as the elimination phase lasting 30 to 90 days. A lot of people go, "But I don't feel completely better. I don't feel healed. I need more time." And over the years, I mean, you both have seen this in your practices, we have all felt it ourselves. The level of healing that we have achieved has happened sometimes years after those reintroductions. So part of what we're doing with AIP is feedback from our body. We are learning about what is supporting us right now and that includes the good things. That includes the health practices, the self-care, the sleep, the lifestyle. It includes so many foods that you add, not just the things you remove. So I want everybody to think about their time on AIP is not just you get to a certain point and then your healing stops there and then you start reintroducing foods.
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What might actually happen is you reach a litle plateau, you feel measurable improvement, you reintroduce foods, you actually take a couple steps back. That's what happens with most people. When you reintroduce foods, you're going to find out some triggers. You're not going to feel great for a litle while, right? That might be a month, it might be a couple months and you might be kind of like, "Oh no, I need to get back to where I was in the elimination phase." But as you keep those triggers out and then you keep the good things in and you keep doing all those self-care, those lifestyle practices, you keep up with all your medical care and all of the things that support your health, your health can and will continue to expand. So that's really something that I want people to think about is not this anxiety over, "I'm in elimination and I feel good, but I want more." You can continue to get that by working through the rest of the process and then sustainably implementing those changes over a longer period of time.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (37:36):
Mickey, thank you again for joining us today and helping us remind our listeners that AIP is more than a diet. It's a protocol with multiple branches and multiple ways to approach it. For our listeners who want to learn more about your books and everything else that you offer, where should they go?
Mickey Trescott (37:52):
Yeah, so you guys can find me on social media @mickeytrescott. I also have a new website, theautoimmuneprotocol.com. Lots of information, free food lists, medical research breakdown, everything you need there. And then The New Autoimmune Protocol is available wherever books are sold. It's also available internationally, Kindle. So I hope you guys can support me by grabbing a copy and thank you guys so much for this great conversation.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (38:18):
Thank you, Mickey. We know that you share our goal of offering resources and support so that anyone can feel confident about doing AIP on their own, but with the knowledge that they are not doing it alone.
Jaime Hartman (38:29):
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Jaime Hartman (38:56):
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