Jaime Hartman (00:07):
Welcome to the AIP Summit Podcast, your go-to resource for taking control of your autoimmune health, presented by AIP Certified Coaches. Hi, I'm Jaime Hartman.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:18):
And I'm Marie-Noelle Marquis. We are here to equip you with the tools, knowledge, and support you need to effectively use the autoimmune protocol.
Jaime Hartman (00:26):
And today we are unpacking another client success story and busting one of the biggest myths about AIP in the meantime. Our guest today is Sarah Brookes, and she is going to be sharing some of her personal healing story and telling us about a client success story while sharing some of her coaching wisdom along the way. Sarah, thank you for being with us.
Sarah Brookes (00:54):
Hi, Jaime. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I'm really excited to be here, so thank you.
Jaime Hartman (01:01):
Yeah, absolutely. Now, Sarah, you've been an AIP Certified Coach since 2017 as a registered nutritional therapist. What has changed in how you approach client care since then?
Sarah Brookes (01:14):
Well, I think when practitioners first graduate and they start practicing, they're very keen and passionate and enthusiastic. So you tend to want to get amazing results as quickly as possible, which is what I was like when I first started out. But over time, I've sort of realized and learned that I've found personally that it's better and more useful to take a patient-centered approach where I really look at what is achievable for that client. And so I've started treating AIP as a spectrum. And I start with working on what I like to call the big hitters first. So that's things like removing gluten, dairy, sugar, soy. And then maybe with some clients, I might remove nightshades or eggs a bit later on. And then at the same time, I take an adding in approach because actually there's often a real issue here too. And it's a lot easier to add things in rather than take things out.
(02:23):
So for example, things like nutrient dense foods, which can make a real difference. And so I get that it's not actually too different from AIP coaching because that's kind of a similar approach that we take, but I tend to do it on a much longer timescale. So for example, things like eating cruciferous vegetables, that's quite a big one because I come across many people who don't tend to actually eat these as much as they should or at all. And so yeah, it's just doing things like that and bringing things in like green tea, liver, bone broth, finding ways to relax, finding joy and to stop scrolling before bed, things like that. So I work on making things much more achievable even though we are slowly starting AIP as well. So it's really about creating sustainable habits. And that's because I feel that restrictive diets can be quite stressful in themselves and especially when you put a name to it.
(03:30):
So I just feel like if you say, right, we're going to do the AIP diet, that kind of comes with that can feel like quite a lot of pressure, like I've got to do this thing now. Whereas if you don't label it, I feel like there may be less pressure. And in some ways that may mean that you may not get results.
(03:54):
But for example, in other ways, if the nervous system is dysregulated, which is quite common in Hashimoto's particularly, this can also make things a lot harder and worse. And I also see a lot of working women with families. So I just have to take a much more, like a longer, more staged approach so that I can make things a lot more doable. And I sort of get people in a better position to do AIP, if that makes sense.
Jaime Hartman (04:28):
Yeah. So let's dive into that. You've mentioned AIP as a spectrum, not all or nothing. Could you set that up for us before we dive into your client's healing story a bit more?
Sarah Brookes (04:39):
Yeah. So I think we actually discussed this a couple of years ago, you and I, and I just really like the concept because it's positive. And to me, it just makes so much sense and it sort of takes the pressure off. And it can make you feel good about and included about the changes that you're making because everyone has to start somewhere. So it can just feel really good to know that you're working on the AIP protocol, but you're sort of designing it in a way that sort of fits your lifestyle and that works for you. And yeah, because I do feel like there's so many other things that need to be worked on, not just the diet, but I find a lot of clients, they need to work on things like standing up for their health. And it's kind of funny because I kind of see it as like, it's a bit like stepping onto a yoga mat.
(05:36):
It's sort of stepping onto the spectrum. It's sort of forming a commitment, feeling inclusive. So I kind of see it as a bit like a practice. I don't know, this sort of came to me. I feel like I sort of see it as a practice really. And so offering out that spectrum sort of includes everybody in their healing journey and can feel like quite positive. Because at one end, you've got the basics of doing things like going gluten free, moving your body, having gratitude and maybe appreciating or finding community. And then at the other end of the spectrum, there's things like making real shifts like identifying your food intolerances, rebalancing your gut and nutrient status, setting boundaries and standing up for your health and sort of dramatically impacting your health. And not everyone is really ready for that approach straight away. And I feel like they shouldn't feel bad about that.
(06:39):
So when you feel that there's actually a spectrum and you've started, so I like the saying that action leads to motivation and not the other way around. So once you know that you've started, you can slowly start to sort of work along that spectrum and work up to it. And of course there's people who are ready to go all in and that's great too. But we'll hear a bit more about my client's story as well. But you don't have to go all in to get results.
(07:17):
I didn't go all in either myself and that didn't work for me either. But in the other incidents, I'm also always so impressed with my clients and their ability to go gluten-free straight away because I had no one guiding me at the start. So I actually spent like two years going 100% gluten-free. So I feel like not only does that sort of demonstrate the spectrum and like the possibilities of where it can be and how it can form, but it does also sort of show how accountability and support can help you achieve things a lot more quickly.
Jaime Hartman (07:58):
It really struck me what you said, the idea of action leading to motivation and not the other way around. That really jumped out at me as being a really powerful thought. People spend so much time thinking like I just need to get motivated, but actually what maybe they need is to just take a little bit of action, which will then lead to the motivation. So I think that's a great thing for our listeners to really absorb and take to heart. So
Sarah Brookes (08:24):
It's almost like once you step on that mat of the spectrum and you start taking little bits of action and a few steps forward, then hopefully you'll start feeling better and you gain that motivation and you can start moving forward along the spectrum, but at your own pace.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (08:42):
Okay. So Sarah, today we are our listeners, today we're going to spend the bulk of our time really discussing a specific client with scleroderma that you told us about. And without sharing any identifying details, can you walk us through where this client was when she came to you?
Sarah Brookes (09:01):
Yeah. So she actually came to me with multiple conditions and medications. So she was on statins, metformin for her diabetes, and immunosuppressants for her scleroderma. She also had IBS, constipation, osteoarthritis. And with her scleroderma, she had this hardening of the skin on her abdomen. And she wanted to reduce that without interfering with any of her medications because she was already experiencing side effects from the medications. So she didn't want to feel any worse. She had a lot of anxiety, so she didn't want to take any supplements unless they were explicitly indicated. So at first I found the case quite challenging because it wasn't how I usually worked. But in the end, it was actually a really great learning and insight opportunity for me because we worked in the way that she wanted to work, not me. So I really let go of how I usually worked because I knew that it wasn't going to work for her.
(10:06):
And it's funny because I've just talked about this spectrum and this slow leading up, but I'm going to explain a bit later about how she actually wanted to go all in.
(10:17):
But what I really liked about her was she had this real scientific approach. Not because I don't obviously, but I don't often get clients like that. So usually we take the approach where we use my expertise and we do quite a lot of things at once because I know that it's going to help. But what she wanted to do was to really know for herself and to see what was really helping her. So it was a slight painstaking approach, but it was just really interesting because she wanted to do one thing at a time, particularly with supplements as well. So we did, for example, we just took B12 for a couple of weeks because she wanted to see for herself the impact that it had on her. So I don't usually work in that way, but it was really interesting. And I think in the end we only did things like.
(11:10):
I think we only did biotin and B12, to be honest. And she didn't have the budget for much testing, but we did do some gut testing because I did say to her, look, I can't know what's going on in there. So I felt like that was really vital, but yeah.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (11:29):
So with the supplement part that you just mentioned, so not wanting to either take a lot of supplements or like you said, very minimal. The bulk of what you did was really entirely through diet then. And then what did that food only approach look like in practice? How did it work out? I
Sarah Brookes (11:49):
Mean, it was amazing. We went straight all in full elimination AIP. She was actually amazing. And I don't often do this with many people, but she was retired, so she wasn't working. She also didn't have a lot of budget and she was quite anxious around the supplements, as I said. So also in contradiction to what I said earlier, I did actually say to her, "In order to get results, we're going to have to be pretty hardcore. And so I do feel that we're going to have to do the autoimmune protocol." And then she was totally up for that. She was just so like, "I'll do it. If that's what I need to do, then I'll do it." So she went from eating sweet treats, carbs, refined foods. And she went all in. She was having mackerel and kale for breakfast. She stopped eating anything sweet.
(12:37):
Her cravings completely disappeared. Even on her trip to New Zealand for three weeks, she never gave in. She took food everywhere with her. She didn't eat in restaurants if she couldn't. She set an absolute boundary and stood up for her health, which a lot of clients can't do that straight away. So I found it really inspiring. And it was a really interesting experience for me as well. And watching her take this stand for her health. She had absolutely no qualms doing what she needed to do and asking for what she needed, particularly in restaurants. And in the end, she even had her friends asking who was her nutritionist because she'd lost so much weight and even her daughter started implementing better habits as well. So it was just a really inspiring and interesting journey to take with her. So it's just seeing the different ways that things can be done.
(13:34):
And that was one way. And it was just like amazing.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (13:39):
Yeah. So you mentioned the weight drop, but what else? What the results were like for her? And then I'm curious, what are those changes? What surprised you the most as a practitioner?
Sarah Brookes (13:53):
Yeah. So I worked with her for nine months in total. And in that time she lost four stone. So she lost four stone. She reduced her statins. She came off Metformin almost entirely. She put her diabetes into remission. She reduced her immunosuppressant medication. And then of course she was experiencing things like more energy. She felt better in herself. Her hair loss stopped. Her blood pressure went down. Her scleroderma patches reduced massively. They were her words and they faded completely. She had no more cravings. She had a flattered tummy. I mean, admittedly, I wanted to do SIBO testing with her and I think that we could have made even more progress, but she didn't have the budget for that. And she just wanted to stick with the diet. And I think it's funny because we know this stuff works. And yet I think we all, I don't think I'm alone in the fact that when we actually see these results, we just still feel amazed or we get that amazed reaction and joy when you sort of see it play out in real life, beyond the research, beyond the lectures and textbooks.
(15:06):
Seeing it all work and happen is quite a joyful thing to watch. And it is what absolutely keeps all of us here and doing this, I suppose. But the two best reminders, I think, first of all, one, because yeah, so I was sort of surprised, but not surprised if you know what I mean. But the two best reminders for me was that in some ways diet can only go so far, especially if you do have SIBO. But on the other hand, it's also a reminder of how much you can actually achieve with just diet on its own. We didn't do any supplements and well, pretty much no supplements. And I do use supplements to get a real boost in progress. But it is so amazing when you think how much of that was done with only diet. I think that it's amazing and surprising and yet not so because it also just, it makes so much sense.
(16:17):
Health doesn't have to cost you a fortune and it's not actually rocket science. But the other reminder is that diet can impact everything. She didn't actually expect to reduce all of her medications all at once, but diet can and will impact all aspects of your health. Because of course the body is connected and nutrition impacts everything. So it was just so nice to see that one diet impacted her diabetes, her weight, her blood pressure, her cholesterol, her skin, her gut, her immune system. It impacted her whole body. And in the medical system, you'd have to go and see several different specialists, take several different medications. But with nutrition, there's just one approach and that can change everything. And I find that really inspirational and reassuring. And it just makes so much sense because it should, when you go back to nature and take that, what nature gives us.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (17:24):
What would you want a coach who's listening to this podcast take away about working with autoimmune conditions that are not first layer, primarily obviously gut driven?
Sarah Brookes (17:38):
Yeah. So I mean, to be honest, I actually think her gut issues were driving her condition. And I think it's amazing when you work on the gut, you can impact other areas of the body like the skin. And if we think about it, there is a gut something, everything access. So there's a gut thyroid access, a gut brain access, a gut liver skin access. So the gut does actually impact everything. So I think you should always work on the gut. And also because so many things do impact the gut as well. So like poor sleep impacts the gut, a lack of exercise impacts the gut, stress and nervous system dysregulation. So you can't just really just work on one thing. You need to take that 360 approach and consider the bidirectional impact of diet and lifestyle on the gut. So it's really a two way street.
(18:34):
But I also think it's really great to think of it in that way because everything you do helps the body in multiple ways. So when you're doing exercise, you're not just working on your muscles, you're doing so many things. You're working on your blood sugar balance, you're working on your immune regulation, you're working on your sleep. You're working on so many things. And the same with blood sugar balance and your sleep.That's what I find so amazing and inspirational about diet and lifestyle and working with what nature gives us is that it works on everything all at the same time. So we have to work on everything outside of the gut, but I think with all conditions, you have to work on the gut as well. So yeah.
Jaime Hartman (19:22):
So Sarah, we're going to talk for a little bit now about your personal healing story, specifically your reintroduction process or your reintroduction story. I know that you have said that the reintros were the hardest part of AIP and that it took you over six months for you personally. What was it for you that made it so hard?
Sarah Brookes (19:45):
Yeah. So the lady I worked with, I feel she did so well with her reintroductions because she had this scientific approach, she had this patience and she had the ability to be so meticulous. And I do feel that's essentially exactly what you need really. But I feel that so many people, including myself, do find that very, very hard, especially when all you really want to do is just live your best life all the time. It's really hard to sort of. My client, she was just so amazing. She was so hyper focused, meticulous, determined, but she had the time. A lot of us don't have that time. So I did find that very, very difficult. And I do feel there needs to be. I'm a real foodie.
(20:43):
I mean, I did AIP three times, so I'll talk a bit more about that. But you have to be quite strategic and you have to think about what you're going to reintroduce. So for example, if you want to reintroduce nutmeg, you've got to think about how you're going to reintroduce that because you don't just eat a teaspoon of nutmeg. You have to think about, I usually put nutmeg on my porridge or in buckwheat pancakes. You have to be quite strategic of how are you going to introduce that food? Because really you have to go to put the nutmeg on something. So you could be unconventional. And so I think the thing is, is that I, at the time when I was doing the reintroduction process, I was very conventional. I was thinking, right, well, I have nutmeg on my porridge, so I've got to reintroduce the porridge oats.
(21:34):
I was probably too much of a perfectionist and probably trying to do things too right. And yeah, I think I was just a bit confused and there was just like a complete overwhelm. But actually with hindsight now, you could actually be a little bit unconventional. So for example, you could put a little bit of nutmeg on some rice. It's not really a big deal. You could reintroduce some rice and do that or you could mix it into some beef mints or bone broth, something that's actually already AIP compliant. Whereas I probably wasn't that flexible in that way at the time. In fact, I've actually got like a really nice rice pudding recipe that's mostly AIP compliant and that has that nutmeg in it. So you could find ways to do it.
(22:24):
And for example, things like if you wanted to start eating sausages again, well, they contain multiple ingredients like black pepper, nutmeg, a bit of cornstarch, rice, flour. So it's kind of like, I suppose I was just impatient. I just wanted to eat a sausage. But I was also a perfectionist at the same time thinking I need to do things really properly, especially in the first couple of times. So you might have to think, maybe this is kind of interesting as well. So when you think about it, things like falafel or hummus, they have multiple ingredients. So you kind of want to get people back to real life as soon as possible. It's lovely and fun to think about cooking everything from scratch, but let's face it, it's not always sustainable long term. So yeah, back to the sausages.
Jaime Hartman (23:23):
So you have been talking about this kind of conflict, I think, this tension between thinking like I have to reintroduce individual ingredients versus like a complete dish. So can you talk a little bit more about why that strategic focus matters and maybe how your lesson of feeling like you were kind of approaching it from a perfectionist perspective informs how you help people now who are thinking about doing their own reintroductions?
Sarah Brookes (23:51):
Because you don't really know how sensitive someone is going to be to an ingredient. So I do feel like in a sausage, there could easily be a quarter of a teaspoon of nutmeg in that sausage. But then also what if you have an issue with cornstarch, pepper, or even all of them, cornstarch, pepper and nutmeg. So you might have a bigger reaction, but also you don't necessarily know exactly what food it is you reacted to. So that can also be quite stressful and confusing. However, I think by the third attempt, I sort of was becoming less perfectionist about it. And you could also do it in a different way. So you could just eat the sausage. You can eat the sausage. And then if you react to it, then you've got some options because you can look at the ingredients and drill down on those potential ingredients and think, look, well, I've got an option there.
(24:48):
It's possibly the nutmeg, the pepper, the corn starch, or the rice, flour. So you can sort of then do it that approach. And that can really reduce a lot more stress because I do feel like nervous system dysregulation can actually make your reactions bigger and worse. And it may not even be the food. So that's like another problem in itself that you can start to. In fact, I've had clients where they've just reacted to everything and you start to think, "Is this really the food?" Or actually I've really felt for him it was psychological. He was a perfectionist to type A. He got really stressed about it and he just started reacting. He just reacted to everything. And so we do have to find ways to make this less stressful. So you might want to take. And in the end, I had to do that as well.
(25:46):
I had to just eat the blemon sausage, make it less stressful. So interestingly, I didn't actually react to the sausages. But later on in the process, I did still react to corn. And I reacted to corn quite badly in that larger amount. So
(26:04):
Also then you've got more information because then you know, well, actually I can tolerate corn starch in small doses. I mean, it's actually, it's even in my medication as well and I didn't eliminate that during the AIP. Obviously I stayed on my medication. So you can start to sort of gauge that sort of thing as well. But I think it was interesting that I still had a reaction to corn, even though tiny amounts were in my medication. So yeah, I didn't eliminate that 100%. So I think there's also another thing that needs to be considered, which people don't really talk about. And this occurs in food intolerance testing as well. So there's something else to consider is that when food ingredients are combined, they can form different proteins and it can look different to the immune system. So that's why some people with egg allergies, they can react to eggs on their own, but they can tolerate eating eggs in cakes.
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And that's because the egg protein is bound to a different protein in the mixture and is looking different to the immune system. I
Jaime Hartman (27:15):
Think what you're really, really getting across to our listeners is a reminder that reintroductions are hard for everybody in a lot of cases because there's so many other factors at play and that you can still approach your reintroductions with a strategic mindset and a scientific approach without tipping too much into that perfectionist tendency. Because like your examples was great. I ate the sausage. It had four potential triggers. And so if you'd had a reaction to that sausage, you'd know to investigate just those four. And it is a perfectly acceptable way to approach that if that makes sense for the individual client. Now, I know you felt like there was a shift at some point in your journey. What helped you finally get through that and how did things shift for you?
Sarah Brookes (28:11):
Yeah. So I mean, as I mentioned, I actually tried AIP like three times, but it was actually Jan's AIP retreat that really finally helped me get there. Jan is another AIP Certified Coach and she has a bed and breakfast in France, but she also does AIP retreats where we went there for a whole week and she cooked for us. And so yeah, in fact, I was going to mention about she cooks for us. So not only is the cooking being done for us, the organization, the thinking, but also I picked up recipes along the way and ideas of what I could eat. We also had the social interaction because we were there as a group. We had that community. So even though it was just a week, it was still like a huge amount taken off my plate, but we also had things added in as well, like the community, the socialization.
(29:14):
So that took a lot of stress off my plate. And actually a week is a huge amount. We'd been there for a week and then when I came home, I was motivated and I had recipe ideas and I was ready to go all in. And actually, I think if you remember, we were there together and we did that quiz. So my quiz came out that I had pretty good. My health was in a pretty good state. So I sort of felt at the time, I think I only really needed to do three weeks of elimination. So really that left me with two weeks, which really isn't that difficult. Well, for me at that time, it didn't feel difficult. I also came home, you Having met somebody, we were both going to carry it on, so we were WhatsApping each other and supporting each other. We wanted to keep up the good work as well.
(30:10):
So it was amazing because it really did lift a load off of me. And I just had the two weeks left to do. And then I sort of felt that as the reintroduction phases came, I just felt, I don't know, this time I just felt different. It wasn't some sort of meticulous schedule. I just felt because I'd gotten quite comfortable with what I was eating with AIP, I just felt it was like a building up process. And I think that's also really important is to help clients really get comfortable with eating AIP and enjoying AIP so that once you actually get to the reintro process, it's not like you're desperate scrabbling around desperate to reintroduce foods because you're already quite stable and happy with what you're already eating. So it becomes like this building up process where actually you're just widening the diet and it's just like bringing in things that just makes life easier.
Jaime Hartman (31:10):
Such a great point that your positive experience with the elimination phase and feeling comfortable there made it easier to reintroduce foods and expand. And sometimes I think we have this expectation that the opposite might occur, that people get comfortable with the elimination phase and just want to stay there. But actually having that comfort keeps you feeling like you can continue to explore reintroductions without a feeling of desperation or rush or anxiousness about getting more foods back.
Sarah Brookes (31:42):
Because that certainly happened to me in the beginning. It was like I was literally counting down the days to when I could bring cacao back in. It was like this desperate scrabbling for like, oh, I need to bring more things in. Whereas the second time I just felt so much more stable and like, right, brilliant. This is exciting. Now I can bring that in and that gives me more opportunity. And it was just -
Marie-Noelle Marquis (32:04):
Before we wrap up, we'd like to zoom out for a moment and then ask you to weigh in on a question that I think doesn't get asked often enough. And that's whether or not AIP is actually appropriate for everyone with an autoimmune disease. So in your professional opinion, are there cases where you tell someone AIP is just not the right starting point at all?
Sarah Brookes (32:30):
I think yes, definitely. I mean, I've had clients with ADHD and I just think AIP is not the right starting point. However, going back to my spectrum, I'm still going to step them on that spectrum by going gluten-free or adding in nutrient dense things or tweaking the diet and working with blood sugar balance. So there's absolutely, you're still on that spectrum, but I think for like sort of even modified AIP, I wouldn't even suggest that to people with ADHD. Of course, that still comes in so many different forms. People vary quite wildly with ADHD. But I think also obviously I would weigh it up and I would see, but there are a couple of things came to mind. Some things come to mind. So maybe for example, like a busy mom with three kids, I'm not going to suggest that she goes all in with AIP.
(33:31):
Somebody maybe with health anxiety or food fears, the perfectionists. And I don't think I need to explain also not vegans. I wouldn't be suggesting that for them either. And obviously I'm not going to tell anyone you can't do it. It's just that there may be a more effective place to start.
(33:56):
And for the most part, these people will probably. A lot of these people will need to work on their nervous systems first, to be honest. Not the vegans, but like the perfectionists, ADHD, probably the busy moms. All of those people will need to work on their nervous system first. So yeah, but I would still step them on that mat of the AIP spectrum. So yeah.
Jaime Hartman (34:21):
Well, Sarah, again, thank you so much for joining us today. Before we go, please tell the listeners about your thyroid energy essentials group program and your thyroid energy blueprint masterclass.
Sarah Brookes (34:34):
Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much, Jaime, for having me. And yes, so I do specialize in Hashimoto's. So I've really sort of niched down now. And well, I've put together a group coaching program. It's an online group coaching program. It's called Thyroid Energy Essentials. And this is really just like the foundational basics that really everyone should do because obviously I know that things need to be personalized. So this is really a great starting point and a foundation for those starting out with Hashimoto's. And there is some room for personalization as well. And it's really just, it's a lovely little cozy community where we'll start with the foundations of diet, lifestyle, environment, and even emotional healing as well. And then there's opportunities to personalize. So I do support those women with testing suggestions and supplement suggestions. And yeah, so I'm looking to do like maybe two cohorts a year because it's a 12 week coaching program.
(35:51):
And there is room to extend your access as well, but the coaching lasts 12 weeks. So that's called Thyroid Energy Essentials. And you can find out more about that at my website, yourhashimotosolution.com. And then I am working on lots of exciting little workshops and masterclasses, but the one thing I've got at the moment is a thyroid energy blueprint masterclass where we gather together and talk about the five big reasons why you're still exhausted with Hashimoto's, even when you might be trying to do everything right and you're on medication. So at the moment, that's a free masterclass, which I'm also doing now and then. I mean, you can feel free to get in touch with me about that. You can email me [email protected] if you want to find out more.
Jaime Hartman (36:55):
And so that's where people should go to learn more about everything you do, or are there any other places they should be following you?
Sarah Brookes (37:03):
I think the best thing to do is to go to my website, have a look around. You can sign up for my free thyroid labs guide. And then once you get onto my email list, you will hear about everything that I'm doing. All of my masterclasses, workshops, and just that's the best place to be really is on my email list. So sign up for the free guide and then yeah, we'll get started. But feel free to email me if you want to, and we can start a conversation. That's also fine.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (37:32):
Thank you again, Sarah, for joining us today and for helping us remind our listeners that AIP is more than a diet. It is a protocol with multiple branches and multiple ways to approach it. Through this podcast, AIP Certified Coaches aim to bring you resources so that you can feel confident about doing AIP on your own, but with the knowledge that you are not doing it alone.
Jaime Hartman (37:54):
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